No.960
That thread was a mess. Good thing is, with artist boy and RMB gone, we can finally have a productive conversation.
Question, if an artist says they're thinking about starting a Patreon, what can you say to make them reconsider?
No.961
>>958>obscure sitesdid you save/download them?
also if you are low on storage get a 32 GB so card (they're really cheap) usb is dangerous
No.964
>>961He's referring to e621. It's not as well known as rule 34.
No.981
>>964No, anon. e621 are very popular as well, especially to the furries since most furry-themed contents go there. Diives, DACAD, B*tchdraichin, and many more.
I'm talking about other sites than that, mostly are booru sites, or sites with standalone codes/program/web engine.
I've already seen some, and like I said above, I won't say the site names for the sake of the contents and this site as well.
No.983
>>9601. Not ALL people would be able to pay contents like that, especially peoples with hardly difficult reasons such as not having any jobs, living in a place where it's hard to earn money (just like me), and much more.
2. Regarding of Patreon's feature where it can invite you directly to the private server of the artist… Not all, I repeat, NOT ALL people have/use Discord. Especially if the tiers have Discord roles packed in. The roles would be useless to those who don't use or have Discord.
3. It all depends on how good your contents are. Some artists with lesser art quality out there tend to use Patreon right away to make quick bucks, even the fact that their art style are not good enough like those who has good art.
Those are as far as I know on how to make the creators reconsider.
And btw, who's artist boy and RMB?
Are those two peoples who creates the previous thread getting hotter or something?
No.984
>>983RMB was the guy that would make nonsensical posts and call every one "resident momma's basement". We have reason to believe he was one himself. And then there was artist boy who would make these long winded posts about just how much better he was than us. It was a mess.
No.1006
>>1004You didn't see it? You weren't there?
There's an archive somewhere but I can't find it.
No.1028
>>1015Hey there dude. Glad you could make it.
>All artists deserve to make moneyCorrection: all artists that don't use copyrighted characters deserve money.
Also don't use patreon because it's a scummy thing to demand payment for something you did in your spare time.
No.1029
>>1028Double correction
all artists deserve money when they make actual good artwork. But I have to correct you, their are good artists out their who don't sperg out over the leakers. Fluffkevlar is one of them. He's a fine example of not burning the bakery down. He knows he's big enough that leaking his art won't cause any profit drops. This makes him smart because he knows that by doing nothing this action in no way drives demand for *more people to pirate* his art up. However, this is the furry fandom, and even though some artists are good, its even rarer to find an artist that is good and smart at the same time. Look, the whole point of the originial DRM thread was to show that not everyone on the internet is Nice…punishing the classroom because somebody stole the chalk doesn't work in school and it sure as hell isn't going to work in the furry fandom…the random person is just going to keep stealing it. Point is, this is the intenet, people being disrespectful should be common sense by now, but we got dumbass artists who think sperging out on twitter will make their art exclusive again, or as if they're losing potential (keyword is potential) sales as they tweet. All I want is for this little known fact to be universally accepted so these butt hurt idiots go back to making art, people can go back to pirating said art and comissioning it, and the world is a happy place with no ear grating autistic screeching going on in the background.
No.1035
>>1015Hoi, glad you could make it here.
Sorry for using the screenshot without your permits… I barely able to find a screenshot of the thread…
And, yeah, I forgot Primeleaf, my bad. I thought that service isn't used anymore…?
>>1029Guess you're right. Instead of thinking about something right to take care of the problems (leakers and leaked stuffs, which are our handiwork), they instead straight up blaming all of their supporters and or making their payment and content availability more awful.
To be honest, one of my personal reason why I don't like paywall artists is that they would wait for a fucking month or so until they release their early access contents/exclusive versions of several stuffs they have.
No.1052
>>1035I'll do you one better: artists that say "I always release my stuff publicly" then give the public the low-res stuff with like 30 alts missing. And the furry fandom just eats that shit up.
No.1053
>>1052Well Yeah, not alot of peeps in the furry fandom take resolution into account. Since that would mean they'd have to go out of their way to check >:(.
>>1035 Also Crimsion your fine, in the last thread i said id help so you using my screenshot is what I meant. Anyway, No Primeleap is still very much in Use By seferin and critterclaws, nobody has been able to crack it as of yet. However, misteriously big backers like Dicad, and blitzdrachen stopped using primeleap after about a year…
No.1109
>>1052Danza be like here's a 640x480 image that's not even the alt you care about enjoy
No.1114
I stopped caring about patreon DRM because it turns out exclusive content != good content. But the archivist in me is really disappointed by e621's DNP. I know no site is perfectly complete, but god damn e621 misses a lot of artists and comics.
No.1129
>>1053I know man. It just annoys me that I'm getting all this shit for free and I can't even invite them to share the spoils. Because for some reason rather than saying "Ooh look! Free stuff!", they say, "Look! They're stealing from artists!". Who the fuck gives up the opportunity of free stuff when it's presented to them?
No.1131
Can I say something off topic? I hate logging into twitter and seeing vore in my feed because someone I followed liked the tweet. I've had to block and unfollow 3 people in one day. I guess it's good that they make it known so I can block them but I would rather not have my boner killed in the first place.
No.1164
>>1129You should check out the permanent booru, it's basically e621 without any dnp, and it's also hosted on the tor network, links:
http://owmvhpxyisu6fgd7r2fcswgavs7jly4znldaey33utadwmgbbp4pysad.onion/http://vsdfdtkr5mh6y33p.onion/(Needs Tor browser to open)
No.1203
>>1164I've been there before, and it's safe.
Basically, aside from no DNP shit, contents there are permanently stored, hence the name: "Permanent Booru". In other words, an archive site for furry stuffs and such, good or bad arts. The site's completely safe, but since it's a darknet site, the internet speed would be slow just like when you're using a VPN.
>>1052Thanks, man. My english aren't as good as you guys, but I'm doing my best to be understandable.
Speaking of paywall alts… Burgerkiss and Ancesra probably one of those guys as well; both have alts only available to their customers. And some of those alts have better and lovely versions.
No.1217
>>1164What about onion sites for giantess stuff?
No.1223
>>1217If it's furry related then you can go to the permanent booru, else I don't know any onion sites for that kind of content
No.1259
Heads up, fellas.
Seems like Patreon now have a feature that allows videos to be native to the site and would be difficult to be downloaded. I can guess this is another idea of theirs to strengthen the shitty paywall.
https://paywall.party/kemono/res/1242.html No.1275
>>1259So does this mean that scrappers cant download videos from patreon anymore?
No.1279
Speaking of DRM artists, let me add a few in here, Kayla-Na and Clade. Artists who exploded and are now irrelevant to the furry fandom
No.1284
>>1259surprised they decided to do this considering how much bandwidth and servers cost is gonna end up
either way if you can stream/watch it, there will always be a way to rip it
No.1287
>>1259only way for that to block downloads would be requiring every user to download a custom DRM video player, which would drive away subs fast, especially people that pay higher tiers for things like watermark free. no one is going to pay for that shit if its drm locked.
No.1438
:)
No.1484
>>1469Lmao, do these artists not learn from yiff party and the like? The only way these sites go down is if the owner decides to pull it down lmao. But then again, the furry fandom might have talent…but that doesn't mean the talent is smarter then a bag of bricks
No.1491
https://paywall.party/kemono/src/1614074736552.pngQuoting a reply from someone regarding the pic above:
"tfw twitterfags thinking they can pull a DMCA on a site when 60% of the content being leaked from patreon and subscribestar is already copyright infrigement and the'd get taken down by the megacorps in less than an hour if they tried to take legal action for their precious unlicensed cash-grab content."
No.1679
I know Meanybeany has a really odd idea of copyright, going so far as to bitch about someone uploading a long out of print manga. He complained at least once about someone leaking his stuff, but that was it.
No.1861
>>1858Holy shit anon you're right! This guy even goes so far as to only post the low res on his Fur affinity and permanetly locks all high rez behind a paywall! Jesus christ i didn't know he was that much of a jew about his art but it seems so.
No.1867
>>1858Is that "stars" thing even allowable under Patreon's TOS?
No.1869
>>1867Idk let me look at it and see, I have a feeling that Amyth did this because patreon TOS doesn't say anything about paying for premium currency. But my god putting your old HIGH REZ art into a content vault like its a fucking mobile game is the jewyish of the jews of tactics. Ill get back after reading it to see if it does go against it, if it does Im most certainly organizing a group to spam patreon that he is breaching terms of service by being a greedy cunt.
No.1871
>>1114The way E621 runs it's DNP list it's gonna turn into fchan sooner or later, that shit kills boorus.
No.1894
>>1871surprised anybody remembers fchan. What happened to cause it to die?
No.2005
>>>>958
It's actually worse than just some idiots thinking they're losing money.
Some artists just have a fit if they see their art re-uped on e6, even if it's free. Because who would possibly want free publicity right?
No.2652
Talking about Amyth, that premium paywall he has is pretty scummy. However, hopefully I can remedy some of that. I believe I saved most if not all of what his page had on YP (the HD tier stuff that is, so no lower tier SD/sketch variants). Should I upload the zips as an archive post on his kemono page or should I make a thread on u18 or is there another better option? What I have I think will just fit under kemono's file upload size limit. Once I do, anyone else is more than welcome to pitch in and fill in any gaps if they can.
As far as why Amyth is putting his older stuff behind a double paywall I think is because most if not all of it involves his ex-wife in a way (which he done dirty to, but I'm not here to discuss that).
No.2699
>>955Oh man not this thread again haha. I remember it was the most controversial thread in the history of YP (while I was there) and contained the most heated and violent text wars known to man, and some cameo appearances too.
>like the ones who sends their stuff through private mails, private Discord servers, and much more.Going by the year or 2 I was on YP, thats basically atleast 40% of all Paytreon artists. Probably much, much higher now. It makes sense though. It IS THE single most effective way of stopping your art being scraped, so if you want to paywall your sh*t and milk the cash, you're gonna do it.
The funny thing is that even though YP had "shared files", hardly anyone ever used it, so it was more or less "the perfect DRM trick". It was so rare for people to use shared files that when people actually did (like that Blue Whale guy) they were hailed as heroes!
No.2731
>>1894People realised boorus were better for sharing art than imageboards.
No.2739
>>2652Do whatever you feel is necessarry anon. Just update us on where you put the zip file. And god bless you so much for cercumventing literaly all his vaulted content. You are seriously the best. Once people get it people will be able to upload them all over especially to his kimono party page and furry burro. :) Be sure to keep us updated and thank you a lot!!!
No.2740
>>2652>Double pay walls old art trying to make it near impossible to find old art of him and his ex wife's fursona fucking.
>Impliments this double paywall recently.
>This artist says he is taken and married recently…Well holy fuck anon, that sounds QUITE juicy. If you want to make a thread about it im MORE then happy to listen.
No.2744
>>1164>>1203I've seen it some, but I take it it's the only darkweb site like it. I was hoping to find something like that on tor for more "anime" content from nips fantias or fanboxes.
You must be out of luck crimson on whatever nodes it circles round since it's rather reasonable my end once I'm connected.
I also found a the "hiddenbooru" on a i2pd network, though that can go quite slow what with more encryption I reckon
>>1279>Kayla-Naliterally a shit storm for /spg/ers. Now she'll be more an unstable porn artist with a baby hanging off her
No.2762
>>274The permanent booru is open source, so someone could start their own instance for other types of content
Regarding the hidden booru, last I checked I remember seeing that the site doesn't have an api, which could make uploading content to the site slower, but I'm not sure if that's still the case
No.2781
roresu
No.2784
>>2740I don't know much more than you anon as I don't usually delve into drama or if I do, I forget it shortly after. I have a shit memory. What I do know don't think warrants a separate thread. I will ask though to all who read this is to try not to perpetuate it further in this thread, or if you do know more than I, feel free to make another thread. Everything I know I got from Terryburrs (the ex-wife of Amyth) herself so if you want to delve more into it, feel free to go to her twitter. I can't recall if Amyth gave his side and I didn't care to read more into it.
No.2785
>>2739I've been pirating for so long, I try to give back when I can so no need to thank me. However, I do want to apologize ahead of time because I don't want to give y'all's hopes up in case if what I have isn't the complete archive of what Amyth has behind his double paywall. I will just say that it's what I've managed to grab from his YP page up until it closed. So if YP was missing it, I don't have it. Also if there were any solo male or m/m, I don't believe I saved any of that. Sorry, just not my preference. Lastly, it is possible I may have just straight up blinded a post on YP I would have otherwise downloaded, though unlikely since I tend to unhealthily triple check what I have against the leaked content for stuff I want. I have offline archives of artists that I like so I tend to get as much as I can. Going off what Amyth has on his FA page, and if most of those were double paywalled, I don't have a couple of his oldest pieces. You'll be able to tell once you download the archive I've provided though. And finally, one of his newest ones (furaffinity .net/view/36879113/), I only have the HD sketches of as I believe the final color version didn't make it to YP.
I made a u18 thread since it seems Kemono is down as of writing this. (u18chan .com/board/u18chan/fur/topic/1913335)
Remember to remove spaces in provided urls.
No.2836
>>2785I saw the U-18 chan thread and everything has been downloaded. In my search for extremely good artists that aren't like Amyth blitzdrachen and seferin, I've stumbled across Fluffkevlar, Rajii, Thesecretcave, Tojothethief, Nawka, Braeburned, Lizardlars, Dangpa, klongi, Daftpatriot, and alot more. Its just sad to see an artist like Amyth just be like this when he was making enough money as is. Welp, thanks to you thats alot of vaulted content that is no longer worth anything. Thanks so much anon, I'll try and help keep the amyth thread on U-18chan alive so the archive can continually be updated. The fact that such talent is excluded away to simply not be shown off is baffling to me.
No.2870
Heyo, same guy as
>>2652 >>2784
>>2785>>2836I feel there are a lot of artists that aren't nearly as insufferable, its just that a few sour apples that spoil the bunch. Though off the top of my head, another that stands out as a good example of how an artist should handle their art is DimWitDog. I believe ever since the start of her paytreon, and now since she moved to substar, she's never paywalled her final content. She even hosts her own personal art gallery website where you can download full res zips of each month's featured and quickie art packs. I think the only thing she keeps behind any paywall are perks of pledging to her (like art voting and wips/sketches) rather than hiding full art pieces.
Again, no need to thank me, just giving back when I can. Hopefully the thread, along with the other archive type threads on u18 can remain updated. It sucks to see them fade with less and less updates, like the fr95 and iskra threads, though they seem to be kinda picking back up.
Yea it's a bummer when artists hide away their art or worse yet, nuke their galleries. Just because you're unhappy with older artwork or even suffering a rough patch in your life doesn't mean you should make your veteran viewers suffer too.
No.2947
Wheres Clownfeet artist, Clownsuit Guy, and The Legal Eagle these days? The old thread was so live someone even drew a pic of Duke Nukem for on request, JUST like that. I didn't even have to pay £10 a month to see it!
No.2991
i might sound rude and i'm sorry if i sound like that but there is something i have been curious about:
there is a common saying from many people "if you have the skill to do something really good don't do it for free"
and so many artist using patreon and something similiar because some of them actually need money and such, and i know from the thread seems like there is a trend some patreon artist trying prevent leak and such.
so the question is : is it really wrong for artist for using patreon and other similiar platform and also protecting leak?
i don't mean to judge or anything i'm also pirating and such since yiff.party
so i'm just really curious about people opinion about this matter
No.2999
>>2991Patreon was never supposed to be a paywall for porn makers, it was supposed to be a tip jar and modern RSS for normal people's hobbies. There is still plenty of people that use it like that.
Besides that, commissions are how artists have always made money, and commissioners typically would rather have their stuff shown to people than lock it away. On the contrary patreon incentivizes porn artists to paywall their content permanently. I've seen people straight up lock or delete their accounts on art sites and go 100% patreon because they think they will make more money like that.
When patreon eventually gets tired of all the DMCA complaints because lazy artists are using copyrighted characters, and they decide a sitewide ban of it, I think these artists will regret throwing their reputation away for easy money versus just doing commissioned artwork.
No.3028
>>2999fair enough, what you are saying is quiet right, originally patreon was indeed used a platform to gather support money and such and not a paywall.
But at the same time some of this artist maybe poor people that need some sort of stable income and sadly commision sometime is not enough.
But in all fairness the patron in patreon actually paying money each month for the artist, so of course under the normal rule of bussiness world : people that are paying need to be given special treatment to stay and continue donating.
After all if the paying patron and the public is just getting the same stuff with no bonus or special stuff for the patron, people will just went like this "what is the point to donate if i dont get a bonus or anything".
but of course for some people that understand donation system, they do it out of compassion.
but let's just be blunt people most of the time need incentive/motivation to donate to someone else.
So is that mean exclusive stuff is wrong thing to do? i'm not saying i'm justifying 100% paywall either.
what i mean is that public will get their own share while the patron get extra stuff,
is using such method is wrong?
once again this is just my opinion and i'm not one to judge considering i'm also a pirate in here.
i'm saying this just because of curiosty and want to see some different opinion is all
and i once again apologize if i sound rude and i am not justifying the artist that goes crazy paywall and DRM
i'm just neutral is all
No.3048
>>2999I'm glad a number of artists have moved away from doing commissions because how heavily they limited their creative output because they were too busy catering the whims of a few to create much else. I much rather pay $5 a month to get a lot of content I want then pay $100+ for one picture or just hope those who paid them asked for something interesting.
My problem is artists either act like a business only when it suits them or take on terrible business practices. So you get terrible communication, ghosting, harsh responses to any type of criticism, and a shallow community. To elaborate on that last part by community I'm not talking about people or request or commission stuff.
I'm talking about spreading, talking about, and refining different ideas around aesthetics. Artists retreat so far into their walled gardens that their public presence disappears to the point it may seem like they just stopped.
Why I wouldn't mind spreading the works of the artists listed in this thread even though I'm not into them just as a big fuck you to people like them I'm unwilling to pay money out of principle to these type of fucks to do so.
No.3060
>>3048true i guess, what you say about commision it really is either you have some money to spare or someone else commision something you are also into.
i guess you're not wrong about that one, a lot of artist that sometime change to bad personality and such when they already amass some audiences.
for bad bussines practice i can't say much i guess the problem is, the artist is the one who runs the show. Although i admit it sometimes i hate it when artist sometime pull some crazy stunt DRM.
true that some artist just seems drops from the face of earth or something.
i guess another question is what kind of bussiness practice that should be used by artist then in platform like patreon?
i mean this website alone can pirate a lot of stuff beyond imagination sometimes, and because of that a lot of people mindset went like this "why should i pay if i can get stuff free from this website"
and if there is some leaker how artist should dealt with it then? i mean i heard some crazy stuff from other thread where there is artist that doxxing leaker and even as far shaming the leaker by calling the parents(i don't know if this is true or not) and of course if that is actually true that would be some crazy, i mean no need to destroy the leakers life
and how about balance between the public content and the exclusive content? after all public still need to get stuff for artist publicity and for new potentialy patron and exclusive content for those who actually donate
No.3092
>>3060When it comes to business practices what is best for me may not be the best for an artist if they want to maximize profit. For example I hate creators putting their monthly content on gumroad to double dip (to see all their content you have to pay for a sub and pay multiple times to get their older content since its separated by month) but its great for them.
Leakers are the cost of doing business in a mostly frictionless environment. I think their impact is overblown though I have no hard evidence because despite all the moaning about sites like this many artist seem to have little problem raking in cash. Also artists have several advantages they can exploit like the power of fandom to keep them afloat.
When it comes to the balance between public content exclusive I prefer the early access model where they release their exclusive content much later because at least for me it serves as a form of advertisement and is something to help you judge if subscribing to them is worth it.
No.4282
>>4264Yea on YP this thread was the most violent txt war probably in the history of the site lol.
>Anyway, does anyone can list any of their known artists who did the so-called DRM methods?You can be almost guaranteed that 8/10 artists do it. Because basically, as an artist, you'd be stupid NOT to do external/private distro. Word travels fast, so as soon as "Artist 1" discovers his art is being leaked, then discover that ALL he has to do to COMPLETELY stop the leaks, is just "private distro", then he's gonna tell "Artist 2", and "Artist 2" tells all the other artists in his circles, on and on until the only people still posting 100% directly are those that "don't want to get money", or those that "don't care about being pirated".
If I was a popular artist and wanted to milk people every month, you can bet I'd do the same!
No.4304
I have an artist friend who spends hours every weekend and a couple of days during the week streaming for his patreons on Discord. He holds down a real life job too and does all this to make ends meet. He doesn't do commissions mostly because he hasn't got the time. His lowest tier is $5 a month and that's to see all his patreon exclusive art. He doesn't mind people who subscribe once then cancel, and he tries to release a good amount of his art for free on his DA but keep patron exlclusive streamed art to give his patrons something exclusive. He does raffles, every patron gets at least one free request for a fully coloured and shaded pic when joining. He hopes to grow his patreon so he can do drawing full time and produce art, in addition to illustrated stories and provide more free content on his DA. However, he found all his work, including his archive leaked on kemono. It completely killed his motivation and made him feel taken advantage of. He literally slaves away trying to produce content for his contributors while trying to keep his DA active. It's very disheartening when I see his motivation and mood take a dip, especially when people who leak it proclaim to love his art and look forward to his work, but don't give a shit about the artist's actual wellbeing and life, and the effort he goes through to produce art. Sure, loads of people on Kemono like to generalise. 'artists are milking their supporters' 'pirating doesn't harm them' 'content creators are selfish' and all the other excuses people come up with to justify it, but it's just all a lie to make everyone here get a guilt-free kick out of taking someone's art, having no consideration for the artist, while being two-faced and talking about how much you love their content.
Just food for thought.
No.4329
Seen plenty of obscure artists who censor their public artworks in the most "fuck you" way possible (Patron logos the same size as the nipples) and plenty of small artists with big egos who, if given the option, would vacuum the memory of their artwork from their patrons' brains after one viewing and try to charge them again.
No.4555
>>3092sorry for disappearing for some time and not replying.
continuing on, you're insight is quite interesting about leakers appear because frictionless environment care to explain this one?
for double dip yeah it is a questionable one, i mean damn holy fuck just how much they want to milk their follower
No.4598
>>4555>about leakers appear because frictionless environment care to explain this one?Businesses that sell material goods have to deal with things like entry costs, regulations, distribution issues, shrinkage (the loss of inventory that can be attributed to factors such as employee theft, shoplifting, administrative error, vendor fraud, damage, etc), and obtaining materials. All those things create a certain amount of friction.
There is a far less friction when it comes to digital artists. Entry costs, regulation, and the cost to reproduce/distribute are extremely low. Because the cost to distribute is so low its easy for others to do so.
One of the many reasons I do not feel any sympathy for artists is they don't have to deal with things that businesses that sale material goods do like having to eat tangible losses from things such as product not selling (inventory or getting rid of something can be more expensive than people think) and things are so heavily weighted in their favor concern about piracy feels like a joke.
This guy
>>4282 is right about artists being dumb for not doing external/private distro if they are that concerned about leaking or if only to better milk their followers. The "pay to pay" model on onlyfans became popular because it allows people to milk more out of their followers.
In the end it has caused me to dislike numerous creators so strongly I don't even want their work for free and dislike even giving them exposure that comes with sharing their stuff because it indirectly supports them.
No.4638
>>4598i see interesting when you say it like that it make sense why leakers show up
>I think their impact is overblown though I have no hard evidence because despite all the moaning about sites like this many artist seem to have little problem raking in cash. Also artists have several advantages they can exploit like the power of fandom to keep them afloat. this one is also interesting because you say there is barely any damage done to artist despite this place exist, any example or evidence to be shown as explanation?
and as for the power of fandom this one is a very stranger concept to me since i was never a part of any fandom i dont quite understand how fandom works to begin with, i mean if it's about a fans of actor/actress or music band i understand, but digital artist? is such thing possible? considering they are just someone who produce a product of a niche and hidden from public view
No.4641
>>4638>you say there is barely any damage done to artist despite this place exist, any example or evidence to be shown as explanation?Neither those that believe piracy is killing artists or those like me who believe its effects are overblown to some degree have any hard evidence. So its mostly if not entirely speculation.
Seeing creators both big and small growing larger and larger despite all the piracy it makes me skeptical of how big of a negative effect it has.
When it comes to fandom it can be built around nearly anything. I've seen people have intense arguments about niche keyboards that they support. The core idea of the "1000 fans" theory (see
https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/) is you don't need to make it big to make enough money to live off your work, all you need is a bunch of devoted fans.
Creators are able to make a decent living without even hitting 1000 subs because they have a large enough number of subs who will for the most part uncritically give them money. I know one creator who hasn't made a single post in a whole month with no update about what is going on and they still have the same amount of patreons.
No.4660
>>4641i see so no one have hard evidence about negative effect of this place.
as for the 1000 fans theory it is a very interesting theory i dare say, the core idea of this theory is that any content creator trying to keep close all die hard fans that willing to follow unconditionally, as a mean to keep all the incoming money stable and reach certain target. This is very surprising theory, that i would have never guess it actually exist
i guess that is all for the curiosity that i have for now.
and thank you anonymous person for answering my various question
No.5162
To me personally,It is annoying me more and more how many artists are handling their art and their fans. They don't know how it really shits me to see that some hide 90% of their stuff behind a paywall and they are pulling it out of you. And so they dare to be outraged when things are leaked to them? Fuck the hell out of them if that's the case.
PD: I came from arguing with a moron paheal moderator and needed to vent.
No.5217
>>5162Rich fans with enough income (or rich enough parents) will always pay, even when they could pirate. But poor fans who can't afford to spend $12+/m on ONE artist let alone ALL their faves will pirate. We wouldn't need to pirate if the artists didn't block us out, saying "fuck all you poor fans", but piracy is the option we have left, so thats what we're gonna do. I remember years back things were much better: Paywall sites weren't really a thing and artist made money from commissions. You could tell they were still making plenty of money too because commissions were expensive and slots were always taken (you had long waiting lists). Once sites like Paytreon became "the new way", piracy stepped in. Because it was invited!
No.5291
>>5217I personally find it offensive that many artists who started from scratch, once they discovered patreon or fanbox, have literally completely abandoned their general fans and only release things for the "privileged". I'm not even going to pay $ 5 to see porn drawings that in the end I will not see again for a long time, because if I were only to follow 1 artist it would not be much problem, but let's see, let's add like 4 artists and it would not be $ 5 now 20 $.
I'm an artist who is just beginning and I would never treat my public like that, because I insist, I find it rude to see people who started like me and now they start screaming and DMCA if they filter their art, as if those assholes felt that not even the ground they walk on deserves them. I know many people like that and it only gives me reasons to improve and one day have the opportunity to see that it is not necessary to treat your audience like shit to earn money and have followers.
No.5387
>>5291I encourage people like you everyday anon. Keep getting better, and i hope you get so good you can become one of the great artists that didn't need paywalls to become successful
No.5414
>>5291Fucking same - it's literally the same as the artists who used to do requests and now they got "good enough" to get commissions and now they think they can ignore their audience of fans requesting things to cater to privileged people who'll pay them instead?
Not all people can afford commissions, and we shouldn't be forced to pay just to get an artist to draw stuff that they would be drawing for free anyway.
No.5508
>>5498Can't stress this enough. Keep hollering it in the "issues/bug report" thread, or the telegram, or on TV & radio.
We need to get it fully to the devs attention how essential it is to get Shared Files back.
No.5940
Agreed i have alot of artists who just paywalled all their shit so their kemono page is drier then my grandmother's pussy. Shared files i believe is going to be worked on once the IRL purge goes through. THough take that statement with a grain of salt
No.5994
>>5940Shared files is finally back now. The upload often fails upto 6 times before it finally works, and trying to upload anything bigger than 100mb almost always fails but I've been uploading stuff since lastnight, and just waiting for the admin to make it more stable so I can upload the bigger stuff.
No.6033
My problem with paytreon and similars is being ABSOLUTE PAYWALLS.
I understand drawers need money and some uses this plataforms like ¨Hey you like my works, for a fee you can see them before other people, have access to WIPS, and the HD version¨ and they release a SD to the public, that´s the FEW saddly, the mayority is just like ¨Hey, I make a fanart of a popular characters, if you want too see it PAY¨
No.6131
>>6033You gotta laugh at these artists who come out of nowhere with an absolute paywall and expect people to pony up without even knowing if they are competent at drawing genitals.
You need to pay your dues to the art community before you can hold the nudes for ransom.
No.6209
Seems like a good few artists are switching to paysites that "aren't scrapable" (?) now too. EG Gumroad and another one, I forgot the name. Some of these artists are greedy as hell too. The same artist will split his content across 2-3 different subscription paysites (to cheekily rake in 2-3x extra cash). Some of them "cleverly" use different names to try and hide their greed campaigns (EG Vkorg AKA Ganto18, same guy ffs…) but some of them are so full of it they just use the same name (EG BySpoon). I really miss the "Deviantart, HentaiFoundry, FurAffinity" days before everyone became supremely greed corrupted :(
No.6225
>>6209I feel that anon. When everyone sat around the internet roasting each others art and also were the art kitties couldn't handle if their art got criticized :(. Now a days we have to jump across 3 thousand different paywall sites, discord, twitter, and everything else that ISNT a fucking art gallery to find the artists art. Its fucking tiring and depressing work.
No.6253
>>6225>everything else that ISNT a fucking art galleryFor whatever reasons many artists do not have galleries anymore. I'm not sure why so many artists flock to twitter because that it is terrible for discoverability compared to places like pixiv or hentai foundry, viewing someone's old work, or discussion. I'm never figured out what benefit twitter offers or why some artists feel like they are forced to make one.
No.6278
>>6253Hello. I'm the same anonymous who wrote in
>>5291I do not know the stupidity that I have seen in many fellow artists to create a Twitter. I personally hate that social network, because I had very bad experiences and it was fighting every day With stupid right-wing idiots, LGBT hypocrites, And people who claim to be "great NSFW artists" and put their art like on 2 paywalls and almost force you to pay them to see them. Most of them think that there they will be able to catch followers and potential clients. But knowing the fame that Twitter has, I don't think any of you like making money with trash people Like the one that abounds there.
No.6281
>>6253Maybe its because I don't have/want a Twitter account but I agree, it seems like a terrible site to treat as an art house gallery or portfolio (finding and browsing 1 artists pics is extremely longwinded & awkward). Yet almost every artist uses Twitter. I want to see ONE artists pics but I have to sift through a huge list with 50 other artists pics mixed in (why do they even do that!?). I don't understand why you can't just click "gallery" and then it shows me JUST the pics by the artist who's Twitter I'm actually on; and not all his artist friends and similar artists all jumbled together… I hate Twitter lol.
No.6282
>>6281Ignore the word "house" lol, my tablet autocorrect (auto-incorrect) strikes again…
No.7085
>>6033It's not even that complicated.
These hacks all have other jobs - it's literally just greed asking to be paid, which is why sites like this will always pop up to correct the greed.
No.7312
>>7085Trust me, there's some artists out there who think they can make this their full time career. I've even seen some with that on their site banners as a mission statement.
They are in for a rude awakening.
No.7320
HEADS UP
https://paywall.party/kemono/res/7314.htmlI'm bringing this into attention since although this new method is simple, it can be a bit difficult for us to get posts afterwards.
So, to make things short. According to the thread link above, some artists (who probably already know about kemono.party) has a new method of combatting kemono's scrapper, by putting the download link(s) of their contents in the comments.
This can be a big difficulty, since until now, kemono still doesn't have any features to import comments from a post, neither automatically and or manually.
Here hoping the admins and mods would do something about this right away.
No.7500
>>7320Yea this will need to be addressed sooner or later because give it time, and you can bet your sexy arse that every shark-artist and their cousin will be following suit (as logic would dictate!).
Only "solution" I can think of ATM is for the leaker (the guy importing the posts) to manually DL the content from the comment, then import via "FILE UPLOAD". If its a filehost with a password, and the PW is in comments, I guess all we can do ATM is drop a link to the archive in the "archive thread" and put PW underneath it.
No.7502
>>7312
>They are in for a rude awakening.Minimum wage in UK (enough to "only just" cover "the cost of living", IE "by yourself") is just over a grand a month, and thats before tax. So to earn the same money from monthly Paytreon dole, you'd have to be popular as fuck.
If you're getting less than £1,000 p/m on Paytreon, then good luck "paying the bills, buying food & clothes, paying rent etc". Its not gonna happen since you can't "properly" live on much less. If you live in the family home and your only expenses are your own luxuries, then yea you could be rolling in it, but living alone or with a partner &/or kid to support (like a lot of these artists seem to imply)? No, you'd be in financial hot water quicker than it takes to boil a kettle.
No.7505
>>7502It's even worse in the states. If you wanna live in the safe part of a major coastal city and are making less than 70,000 a year, you're gonna have a bad time. Not just because the local gov can't keep their hands out of your pocket for problems that never get fixed (but that's a whole 'nother topic)
No.7524
>>7312i remember back then when YP saved the comments
also since there are shared files why not allow ghost commenting so we can discuss about the creator (and ghost replying to patreon comments)
>>7500 lol nice GET
>>7505i know PH is a huge shithole (based on what others said) but im glad i wasn't born in ameriburger or worse ching chong
No.7562
https://www.patreon.com/NabrialesTheMajesticThis guy sends passwords to his archives privately, uploads samples to ex-hentai and when he was called out for his shillery and faggotry threw a hissy fit threw his second account lmao. Shame his method actually works since I can't find his stuff online for free, even on kemono.
No.7612
>>7583Welcome to what happens when contributors don't use "Shared Files / Upload File" so all they scrape is just useless "dummy/billboard/placeholder" posts. With some artists the majority of posts are like this, just because the person leaking doesn't know WTF they're doing. This same problem plagued YP. Tonnes of people contributing but maybe only 7 of them ever learned how & why to use Shared Files. Yet its so simple, all you have to bloody do is just click [upload file] and then upload the flipping file.
No.7665
>>7612If Shared Files actually worked stuff would get uploaded
No.7668
>>7583if you actually looked hard enough you’d see that the scraper imports his art packs which he posts every so often compiling the last couple months of exclusive stuff from his discord too
It’s not all banners
No.7689
>>7583lol welcome to kemono
enjoy your text posts!
No.7694
>>7689My tastes are, to put it simply, rather niche, so the list of artists I'm keeping track of on here is minimal. This was the first one I came across that had this issue.
>>7668I skimmed through it so I didn't notice these, thank you anon
No.7712
Agreed, it seems that people on this sight of the attention span of a gold fish. Unless a button is flashing in neon rainbows with explicit instruction to click on it saying "UPLOAD HERE IF YOUR ARTIST DOESN'T POST ON PATREON. THE UPLOAD MUST BE MANUAL IF YOU ARE TO GET THE POST" really goes to show that everyone is stupid…on every level, the pirators the artists. Humanity is just one big vat of dumb with exceptions every now and then.
No.7718
>>7712Exactly… As an alien (not an illegal immigrant) I find humans fucking hilarious. Thats why we don't invade your stupid planet of the idiots. There'd be nothing to laugh at anymore. Your species can't even press [upload file] or get along with eachother so to us you are all just funny little animals. And after 4 millennia you humans still believe in god, like kids who haven't grown up yet so they still believe in Santa & the Tooth Fairy. The people who worked out that "god" is just us aliens, you label them tinfoil hat wack jobs… Oh you humans are adorable! Never change! Anyway pathetic humans, I've gotta go, my wife with 12 arms is shouting at me, I need to fix the washing machine.
No.7765
>>958They have more reasons than that, though.
A lot of artists don't want their stuff on e621 because they think that's where art "thieves" get stuff.
They think this because most social media accounts and subreddits dedicated almost entirely to reposting furry art source back almost always to the e621 link.
Which is stupid, because what actually happens is that they most likely found the stuff elsewhere and only linked e621 because that's the place where you're more likely to find info -like who the author is- on any furry picture. And because if the social media account of the artist is for whatever reason unavailable, people can still find the e621 post. And in the e621 post, they'll find the link to the real source anyway.
Another reason is that they don't want e621 to "steal" their precious clout (in the same way they think that posting the picture to r/yiff is art theft). Because they have completely confused social media high scores with actual career success. These people are also the ones who get pissy when someone more popular than them QRTs their post or get mad at other artists for "working for free" or "underpricing" their commissions; or who make transformative works of someone else's IP without permission, but then yell kys to people doing transformative work of their own fanart by using it for RPing or whatever (and then they still complain when hasbro or gamefreak DMCA's them).
Overall, it does seem that people on the DNP are just really fragile and egocentric and have fallen in love with the system that oppresses them.