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 No.349

Can we please be discrete about kemono, and not alarm the creators?

 No.350

You know that sooner or later they will discover

But, as long people dont post InstaThots, we will be mostly fine

 No.353

>>350
True this, so long are Thots are not allowed; Kemono will be strong.

 No.358

>>353
I wouldn't be too sure given Yiff died not too long after a thot purge, but we're at least in the clear from any of the faggots who make porn of established IPs; they can't kill us without the legal system/soulless corps obsessed with their PR ensuring they die with us.

 No.382

>>358
Yiff died beacuse a InstaThot sued the hell out of website until the owner wished to give up

 No.392

I don't get it. If thots weren't allowed, what was the problem for yiff.party?

 No.402

What the hell's a thot, and what does InstaThot means?

Sorry for such immature questions, but I'm serious.

 No.415

yiff got too expensive because it ended up hosting petabytes of shitty reaction videos

 No.420

>>402
Thot is a slang for "slut" or "whore", a instathot is a thot from instagram

 No.426

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>>392
Simps.jpeg

 No.437

>>402
You know those camwhore types who string along betas on Instagram and the like to milk them for donations and "ride the cock carasol" with a revolving door of boyfriends/fuckfriends? That's a thot.

 No.443

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>>349

So far so good… I came across a patreon post where the artist said they wanted move from PM back to direct posting since a "certain scraping site" was not around anymore. lawl. Now if we can just STFU, salad days will be here again.

 No.489

As far was we know, yiff.party shut down because it's admin lost interest, he could have been sued by someone, but I have yet to see any proof that admin quit yiff.party for any other reason except lack of interest. If anyone has any info about what was happening on the background when yiff went down please share, but now, I wouldn't point to anyone except the yiff.party admin for its closure

 No.504

>>489
Bui got tired of running the site, like he got tired of trolling /vp/ threads back in the day.
He said the site was never in legal nor financial trouble.

 No.506

I mean its inevitable that kemono party will become as big as yiff.

 No.513

Speaking of alarming the creators, what happened to Miss Phase? Is that two faced goon finally gone?

 No.537

>>349
There are barely anyone importing stuff, and you want to keep it a secret even though you're not a contributor.

Please go fuck yourself with a knife.

 No.546

>>537
I had imported more of AeridicCore's shit. But I can't upload a .txt that has all of the passwords because of the sites issues.

 No.547

>>546
>>537
Same thing with AkkoArcade. Added a shit ton of stuff

 No.588

I have been importing so much shit from Fanbox and Patreon ever since the site is up and running at a decent, so please for the love of money don't warn the artists. I need archives of things and this is the best we got.

 No.606

Anyone have any ideas how to get more people on kemono to start sharing content without drawing undo attention?

 No.666

>>606 Go to other larger archive sites like f95zone and bring some attention their. We don't want outsiders to know this platform exist so the DRM artists can also finds way around it.

 No.676

>>606

How do we get back the people that gave up completely when Yiff went down? There's like ten artists on my fave list that haven't been updated since literally the day before it closed for good. It's killin me.

 No.680

>>676
Better question: can we get a reupload of yiff.party's threads. Those were fun to read.

 No.716

>>402
>What the hell's a thot, and what does InstaThot means?
that ho over there.

instanthot = thot on instagram

 No.797

Guys, remember Yiff Party died because the administrator just abandoned the project, and nothing else. Multiple times artists and the proper Patreon tried to close the website, but failed. Kemono is safe for now, until the admin get tired. I hope that won't happen soon.

 No.800

>>797
He better have an apprentice or successor lined up to take the reins.

 No.1314

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 No.1320

>>1314
tfw twitterfags thinking they can pull a DMCA on a site when 60% of the content being leaked from patreon and subscribestar is already copyright infrigement and the'd get taken down by the megacorps in less than an hour if they tried to take legal action for their precious unlicensed cash-grab content.

 No.1329

Any artists reading this: you are paid to make art.

You are not paid to fuck around on your backers' dime, writing long rants, sending takedown notices, doxxing your own fans and bitching about your art being shared too much.

We have altered the social contract. Pray we do not alter it any further.

 No.1336

better here than sites like planetsuzy or svscomics where you have to deal with malware-infested redirects

 No.1343

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>>1314
fucking hell I thought it'd be longer til we'd see posts like this

 No.1345

>>1329
>Any artists reading this: you are paid to make art.

>You are not paid to fuck around on your backers' dime, writing long rants, sending takedown notices, doxxing your own fans and bitching about your art being shared too much.


>We have altered the social contract. Pray we do not alter it any further.


Kek. Good luck. I'm sure the artists will accede to your entirely reasonable demands.

 No.1351

>>1345
Oh fuck off you artist shill. Go simp somewhere else.

 No.1356

>>1351
>Oh fuck off you artist shill. Go simp somewhere else.

Fag uses "righteous" indignation. It's not very effective.

Artist uses quit job. It's super effective.

(also, I'm hardly an artist shill, I just don't delude myself into believing that I'm a soldier for a cause or that what I'm doing is morally justifiable. I'm the bad guy here, but I'll do it anyway because I like free shit. The limit of my morality regarding this is not recommending the site to other people. Somehow, you think you're the good guy. Hurr dur, data should be free.)

 No.1375

>>1356
>Artist uses quit job. It's super effective.

Not the guy you were arguing with but the biggest reason I pirate is I realized I can't even get what I want through paying after being burned from multiple artists to the point that them quitting would mean almost nothing to me. Sites like this helped me realized how bad many creators are as even with the option to get their stuff for free I don't care.

That said I agree that the idea of piracy providing some sort of market discipline for creators is idealistic to say the least. My problems with creators like terrible communication or being unable to even take light criticism can't be solved by pirating.

 No.1382

>>1375
But its a way of sticking it to the man, if you know what I mean. Most artists are incredibly rude. The Teranen person is a great example of just how rude these artists can be. I mean, it's one thing to ask someone to respect your wishes. It's another thing to publicly shame them for what is arguably small shit.

Besides that, piracy is kind of like a return to form. A return to the days before Patreon divided the internet and fostered this artist vs. pirates mentality. Maybe one day artists will get the message and stop paywalling copyrighted fanart, demanding people pay them for something they did because they felt like it, instead of something that the consumer wants. Remember, artificial scarcity makes people want things even if they didn't know they wanted it in the first place.

Until artists realize that this is actually a horrible business model, we'll just have to keep pirating. Eventually the message will get across, I'm sure of it.

 No.1384

>>1382
>But its a way of sticking it to the man, if you know what I mean. Most artists are incredibly rude. The Teranen person is a great example of just how rude these artists can be. I mean, it's one thing to ask someone to respect your wishes. It's another thing to publicly shame them for what is arguably small shit.

Yeah, I totally get that. A bunch of artists are just total dicks.

 No.1387

>>1382
The product is infinite, trying to impose artificial scarcity on it is pointless. The real scarcity is the means of production. That's what should be monetized.

 No.1389

>>1382
Yeah I have uploaded the works of certain creators before mainly as a way of saying "fuck you". The thing is it seems to have little effect which is why I'm skeptical of creator claims that piracy is costing them big time.

>Until artists realize that this is actually a horrible business model

I am doubtful of that ever happening for two reasons.

The first is creators don't just have customers but have fans. Fans unlike customers are willing to support creators no matter how poor their content gets or how many times they ghost them. Unlike other businesses creators can curate their customers till their community is filled with nothing but yes men.

The second is lack of competition. Finding someone else who does certain types of work can be hard giving a creator a pseudo monopoly. When everybody uses the same terrible business model (the pay to pay model on onlyfans is a good example of that) there is no where else to go.

If nothing else I value kemono and yiff party because they provides a way to stick it to creators who are otherwise mostly untouchable which is why I feel zero sympathy for them.

 No.1390

Kinda curious of those rude artist… mind list some of them? just wanna check em out…

 No.1495

the best way to keep kemono alive is to do the one thing yiffparty was too stupid to do: turn off search engine indexing

make it harder for the plebs, simps, fagits, fartists to find kemono.

 No.1497

>>1495
FUCKING THIS.

 No.1501

one more time with feeling, to the back of the room

DISABLE
SEARCH ENGINE
INDEXING

 No.1503

>>1495
>>1501
That's just going to make it harder for Yiff's refugees who imported shit to find us again. Again, it wasn't any faggots pressuring Bui who made him kill the site, but his own laziness.

 No.1504

>>1503
experienced tippers will find their way here eventually, they aint dumb.

primary purpose of hiding kemono from google results is to keep the commoner trash from finding it so *easily*. Ya know, the simps and reactards.

 No.1512

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HEADS UP ASSWIPES

Some damn wiki has been mentioning our site in theirs, and the comments are downright retards who are happy about the yiff's demise, not knowing how much fucking contents and hard work was lost.

I made a thread about it so you guys can look at it and understand easily:
https://paywall.party/kemono/res/1510.html

 No.1514

hopefully playing the devil's advocate won't get me banned here (is this considered unconfy)
(man i really need that x88 pro x3 armbian firmware unless i can host Apache and python on my rooted android)

>>1351
from a technical standpoint simping means thirsting over something
if you pay lots of money on ych and patreon like a whale then you are basically simping over furries (am i correct)

>>1320
if jobless roasties can do it then what's stopping furries from flooding the site with DMCA

>>680
i hope the anon on 4chan saved it too (scrapping the bbs shouldn't be that hard)

>>1356
w7-890 used archive.is its supper effective

>>1336
lol i use tiny7 when browsing crack sites the trj refuses to run on my VM

>>1495 (anyone archived the original 8ch thread)
>hard pleb
>implying simps made the kotaku article

>>1503 -4
correct you do realize they get shared on social platforms like YouTube right
so again this is pretty much useless

 No.1520

>>1514
>if jobless roasties can do it then what's stopping furries from flooding the site with DMCA

I can't say for sure, but I think the reason why no furry artist tries to DCMA the site is because a lot of them produce content that violates copyright law, so they can't send DCMA over it, also, they may not able afford hiring someone to prepare a DMCA claim or may simply not care.

Also if they could send enough DMCA claims to take down a site yiff.party would probably died way sooner

 No.1521

>>1520
>a lot of them produce content that violates copyright law

This is irrelevant to the content that doesn't. They can still DMCA over that.

> they may not able afford hiring someone to prepare a DMCA claim


https://www.websitepolicies.com/blog/dmca-takedown-notice

They can do it on their own without paying anyone to help.

> if they could send enough DMCA claims to take down a site yiff.party would probably died way sooner


One artist sending one DMCA takedown notice is nothing. A dozen artists sending one takedown notice is worth looking at. A hundred or so artists sending one takedown notice is going to grab a shitload of attention from a hosting company. If you think a site like Y.P or K.P can't be sunk by the DMCA, you're not seeing the bigger picture.

 No.1527

>>1521
>One artist sending one DMCA takedown notice is nothing. A dozen artists sending one takedown notice is worth looking at. A hundred or so artists sending one takedown notice is going to grab a shitload of attention from a hosting company. If you think a site like Y.P or K.P can't be sunk by the DMCA, you're not seeing the bigger picture.

I guess I put it in a bad way, but what I meant to say was that if so many furry artists knew about yiff.party, why didn't they all band together and send DMCA claims to the site? Yiff.party got kicked from it's host after thots sent hundreds of DCMAs to the site, if the artists could do the same why didn't they do it ?

>https://www.websitepolicies.com/blog/dmca-takedown-notice


They can do it on their own without paying anyone to help.

I thought DCMA claims were a bit like court cases, where you needed someone to prepare them properly, but I guess it's far easier, thank you for sharing that

 No.1530

>>1527
>why didn't they all band together and send DMCA claims to the site?
You've obviously never worked on a group project before.

>I thought DCMA claims were a bit like court cases

DMCA takedown claims are legal filings, yes. But they're not court cases - although they can lead to one. The DMCA's notice-and-takedown system works like this:
* Copyright owner files a takedown claim with a site that contains allegedly infringing content
* The site must remove access to the specific content listed in the claim upon receipt of said claim, or else it could lose its "safe harbor" protections and thus be held legally liable for infringement
* The site must then inform whoever posted the content (assuming they can be reached) about the DMCA claim
* The poster can then file a counterclaim, which will be sent to the copright holder
* The copyright holder can either let the counterclaim stand (which will allow the content to become accessible again after two weeks) or file a lawsuit against the poster

And yes, the bit about having to take down the content before the poster is informed is legit - the DMCA isn't notice-and-notice, but notice-and-takedown.

FYI: I beat a DMCA claim before on YouTube, and it's not that hard to file a counterclaim (templates for that are online, too). But it sure as hell helps to have a defense such as "fair use" in your back pocket before you go filing that counterclaim.

 No.1532

>>1530
So, do you think furry artists are a threat to kemono.party ?

 No.1533

>>1532
Any copyright holder can be a threat to a given website, if enough of their work is on it and the hosting company doesn't feel like the cost-benefit analysis of keeping the site alive weighs in favor of "benefit". That does, of course, depend on whether K.P is hosted in the United States - which would mean the admins legally must respect a DMCA takedown notice.

Do I think plenty of artists would like to see K.P go the way of Y.P? Yes. Do I think they'll band together and DMCA the site into dust? No — or, to be more nuanced about it, I don't think they'll try as a group because a fair number of artists know obscurity is the real enemy.

 No.1534

>>1533
>obscurity is the real enemy.
I guess so, in a weird way, leaked content does serve as an ad for a creator, since it shows exactly what waits behind the paywall, something that censored or cropped images can't always convey well.

It does make wonder how do sites like this really affect creators, but I don't think we will ever have any concrete data about it

 No.1549

So is the site working for anyone?

 No.1559

>>1382
>Until artists realize that this is actually a horrible business model, we'll just have to keep pirating. Eventually the message will get across, I'm sure of it.


I can see some reasoning for it depending on the media, but I personally think the prices are out of proportion for what you are getting, and there's no long term benefits to keep supporting. There's no concern given to the customer with these business models and all the benefits are for the sites and the creators.

Maybe it's just me but 5$ for 5 drawings that I'll look at for a couple of seconds each doesn't seem worth it. However I can't say it's unreasonable for them to keep charging as the value of pictures and drawings are completely subjective.

The bigger problem, to me, is that there's no incentive to stay subscribed. (Except for FOMO) Why would I pay 5$ a month when I can pay 5$ every 6 months and just go back and look at the same content? Then I could have 6 artists I do that with and in theory get the same amount of content every month.

There's some media such as games where if you stay subscribed through out the development you'll have far overpaid what the end product is actually worth. Early Access in normal video games is a far more fair deal where you pay once up front and you own the product. (You still have to trust the dev either way)

 No.1561

>>1549

Favourites are deleted, and I keep getting Error 500 and 525.

 No.1562

>>1559


Two examples;

I've been supporting a JOI game in development on Patreon just paid my 4th month of 5$ but having evaluating the game and the final likely state it's a 10-15$ game, and with that in mind I'll probably stop supporting soon. (The updates gets posted on f95 anyways)

Trap Quest a game I like, but also the worst kind of product you could support. It's been on Patron for probably 4 years now with an option to support for 20$ giving access to the debug commands. Meaning you could have given the dev 960$ and yet still if you stopped supporting next month you'd be back to having no access.

For projects with tangible prices like games I would like to see a price (set by the dev) for which after supporting that much you'd keep your benefits. You could still keep supporting if you wanted of course.
For things like pictures, drawings, videos etc. the same options as other subscription based products give to support for a longer time up front with a discount.

 No.1595

>Can we please be discrete about kemono, and not alarm the creators?

Well, fucking duh, snitches get stitches.

 No.1636

I'm worried that if kemono goes down I won't be able to find the successor site. I don't even remember how I found out about yiff.party, and I only knew about this one cause of a board post. I'm just a lowly poorfag I don't want this place to go

 No.1647

>>1636
Think of it this way, if you're not finding out about a scraper site it's probably not popular enough to be updated regularly. There is no magical leaker's heaven, these sites rely on crowd participation to work.

 No.1650

Two tips:
Add a notice on the frontpage to not even mention the link anywhere indexable.
Try to find a diffrent keyword for this biz.

I was trying to find kemono subreddits and instead found some JOI fans complaining that yiff.party is dead and kemono.party lives.

Cool discovery, but literally there was no other match on google for word "kemono" on reddit. Probably will see the same result with the .party TLD,gonna check now.

 No.1662

>>1647
I'm aware there's no magical leaker heaven, it's just nice to be able to follow the crowd when one ends up dying.
When I'm not a poor I'll likley upload some shit, there's a few artists I like that I think others would want updated from time to time.

 No.1694

>>1647
I used to see whole site dumps and webarchives shared way more frequently before the web went corporate. Zoomers don't give a shit about preservation because everything has always been available to them whenever they wanted it.

Point is, I'm part of more than one private tracker that would love periodic rips of kp, and how much more would it be to export snapshots?

 No.1697

Is it just me or kemonoparty always slow?
Like whenever i open kemonoparty it always slow and always says error
You know kemonoparty always work but that error just its too long to loading, that error 404 is bullshit
I refresh got error and refresh it again it worked
Its annoying

 No.1698

>>1697
It was good at one point for a while till the cards update.
Too much bandwidth usage would be my guess, since when people click on a creator it relatively loads a shit ton of stuff now

 No.1717

>>1549
stop the moralist discussion shall we (ok back to the topic)

>>1314
>tenaren
was she the on who said stop artist victim blaming with a bunny ASCII on Twitter (YP flashback)
also i use archive.is to block IP loggers

>>504
elaborate? do you know more about this mysterious pokemon called BUI dozer

>>402
title: lets not get popular
content: how do we block simps here
man is fox butt plug not deep enough you really need to stop pulling it FFS

i may be autistic but atleast im somewhat smarter than the rest of you
also the fact that nobody mentions text only shows that the ED .wiki article has never been this relevant i guess after all banning them is ten times easier than helping them
inb4 Nonymous attacks me with intellectual checkmate BS (i haven't seen you for a while what happened)

>>1650
cons: only works on the good guys
also you cannot block the word kemono.party on search engine unless you pay duck go lots of shequels
indexing only hides the main site itself

>>1694
cool nice

 No.1815

>>1694
I get what you mean, I'm kind of a data hoarder when it comes to a few things since there's no telling when they might disappear forever off the net, but the current web 4.0 hellscape will probably convince me to give up the habit.

Not only are artists moving to entirely dogshit sites like twitter that are a pain to use as an image gallery, content is being fragmented and scattered behind paywalls. I'm glad FA has lazy management, because the way the web is evolving right now doing nothing means you don't end up doing all the stupid shit the other sites are doing.

 No.1843

>>1815
I concur. Years ago there was this artist called PJ-1 who had several pics including Shermie from KOF giving Chris a blowjob but like a dummy I didn't save them.



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